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Govs. Chris Christie and Terry McAuliffe trade jabs at HIMSS21

LAS VEGAS – In the course of a dynamic, at moments downright rowdy session on the closing working day of HIMSS 21, former governors Chris Christie, R-New Jersey, and Terry McAuliffe, D-Virginia, clashed on a range of concerns this kind of as the pharmaceutical marketplace and the finer details of COVID-19 reaction, but broadly agreed on healthcare plan, strategies for revitalizing the healthcare workforce, and the relevance of cooperation and bipartisanship.

HIMSS CEO Hal Wolf moderated the session. Here’s the place the two outdated close friends and political rivals landed on some important matters:

On pharma businesses

McAuliffe: “I’ve received to go just after the pharmaceutical businesses. They’ve built as well significantly dollars. Just during COVID-19 the pharmaceutical businesses elevated price ranges on about 1,000 drugs. This is a time when you need to be lowering price ranges, when you’re in a disaster.”

Christie: “All people likes to defeat the crap out of these folks, but then they’re like ‘Where is it? Where’s my get rid of to cancer?’ And it can be all coming from the exact spot. And it can be not happening in China. And it can be not happening in India. And it can be not happening in Canada or Europe the place they correct price ranges. We have this discussion: Healthcare is an financial commitment, we’ve received to commit in healthcare. But not in the pharmaceutical businesses, trigger they’re rotten SOBs who make as well significantly dollars.”

On Medicaid growth

McAuliffe: “My most important fight [with my Republican legislature] was about Medicaid growth. They just would not do it and it generally bothered me. I have a enterprise background. The concept that I ship two.two billion up to Washington, I get 100% again, I can get 400,000 folks healthcare, I can save rural hospitals that are closing, and I can insert sixty five,000 positions. They just would not vote  for it. For the reason that it was Obamacare. It actually grinded on me. … They’d all occur to me and say ‘I’ve received an opioid disaster, I’ve received a psychological well being crisis’. And I would say ‘well vote for it’. [They stated] ‘I cannot, I will shed my key.’ … We lastly received it finished and now folks, 537,000 folks have well being protection in Virginia that failed to have it 4 a long time in the past. That is a massive offer.”

Christie: “I would not have reformed healthcare the way Obamacare did. But when I turned governor of New Jersey  I signed the executive buy growing Medicaid simply because it was good for the point out. It was not good for me politically. I took a large amount of heat from users of my occasion. … At the time 90 p.c of the price tag was included by the Federal governing administration, 10 p.c in point out dollars.  You tell me how I’m meant to change that down. You tell me how I’m meant to seem at these folks and say no. There was no one who could give me that answer. … And that’s what you do with political cash when you’re governor. You consider a possibility and you invest it to support folks.”

On healthcare staffing shortages

McAuliffe: “I had this challenge with nurses when I was governor. So I adjusted my full education process to fast track nurses in Virginia. I gave them tax breaks and I gave them scholarships. You want to be a nurse in Virginia, I will pay to get your nursing diploma. I save dollars in the point out. We invest it now, we’re heading to get that dollars again. We will need to do the exact matter with doctors. If I have a lack of [key treatment]  doctors, I’m heading to supply totally free tuition. I’m heading to do whatever it usually takes to get folks out there to retain our town safe.”

Christie: “What we did in New Jersey was we consolidated our process with our point out college and established more grant bucks and more options to occur to medical faculty and gave them scholarships to incentivize key treatment. States can do that and it actually isn’t going to price tag you that significantly. Your difficult charges at a medical faculty are very effectively set.”

On COVID-19 disaster reaction

Christie: “What transpired with COVID-19, with the Trump administration is the President was never capable to admit the severity of the disaster. He was only centered on re-election. And he figured if I can limit what folks assume about this it will not harm me, when in the conclusion the exact reverse solution was needed. If he had taken the reverse solution, he’d even now be president these days. You cannot say it can be heading to vanish. You cannot say it can be less than comprehensive management. Men and women will not want to listen to that until it can be real, and in a disaster it can be never real.”

On combating vaccine hesitancy

McAuliffe: “We have got  93 million Us residents not vaccinated. This matter is ripping by way of our place. It will devastate our financial state. And we could get rid of this matter in thirty or sixty times if  folks would get vaccinated. We could kill it when and for all. … We have 93 million Us residents these days and we will need to do as significantly as we perhaps can. Until eventually we make it difficult for folks to get on planes and go to film theaters folks just aren’t heading to do it.”

Christie: “Men and women will not want to be indoctrinated, they want to be educated. They will not want to be explained to ‘you’ll consider the vaccine simply because we’re all getting it, and you are going to consider it and you are going to like it.’ Operating adverts by politicians expressing ‘we’re all in this together’? Men and women say ‘No you’re not. You might be not in it with me. What do you know?'”

On fixing partisan gridlock

McAuliffe: “If I can draw traces that make you win no make any difference what, then the only spot you can shed is in your key, so that pushes folks to the still left or to the correct and you’re not heading to do the job with the other side. We have received to get to a level the place you’re pushing folks into more competitive common elections. It will pressure you to do the job with the other side. … It’s just bad. We have received to correct it for the sake of the place.”

Christie: “I’ve generally been an advocate of term limits. … Search at the folks in leadership on the two sides. These folks have been there for good. I cannot don’t forget a Congress with out Nancy Pelosi. Mitch McConnell received elected to the Senate when I was a senior in large faculty. When Joe Biden received elected to the Senate I was 10 a long time outdated. I’m sorry, no matter whether it can be Biden or McConnell or Pelosi, no one’s irreplaceable. No one’s indispensable. The folks who stay there for a extended time, they dig in, they don’t forget each individual slight, they retain score.”